Old is new again with Vintage Camper Trailer Magazine

Stuart Doing Stuff: We're

going back in the day.

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In this episode, we're going to

talk with Paul from Vintage Camper

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Trailers Magazine, and we're going to

talk about old trailers, how you can

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refurbish them, how you can update

them with modern day amenities, and

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how you can even take these classic

trailers and start your own business.

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That's all coming up on this

episode of the RV Dreaming Podcast.

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My name is Stuart from Stuart

Doing Stuff on Instagram.

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I split my time between my 40 foot

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Super C and my 24 foot Sprinter van.

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And I travel with my two

cats, Camden and Izzy.

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Stuff for more stories and videos.

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You know, we spend a lot of time

talking about these new rigs

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that are coming off the lines.

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We talk about build quality

from what's being put out by

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the manufacturers nowadays.

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And we spend a lot of time talking

about tech and new stuff that's

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happening in the RV business.

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But I want to take a step.

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Backwards today and

not just one step back.

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Let's go decades and decades back.

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Let's go back to those classic vintage

camper trailers that we all love to see.

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And we have so many questions about,

and who better to talk about that then

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vintage camper trailer, mag trailers,

magazine founder himself, Paul, welcome

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to the RV dreaming podcast, Paul.

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Vintage Camper Trailers:

Thank you so much.

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We appreciate being here.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: No problem.

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So real quick.

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Tell me about your magazine

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Vintage Camper Trailers: Well the vintage

camper trailers magazine, um came about

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when I wrote an article for another

Magazine because I thought I had vented

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and had invented a new hobby I had an old

car and I had bought an old trailer to

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take my kids camping in Mainly because

it was cheap not because I thought

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it was cool or anything And i'm still

writing that article for that magazine

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About 14 years later and somewhere in

the middle there, I decided, well, maybe

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the trailer guys need a similar type

publication that tells them when the

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rallies are, you know, kind of picture

a hot rod magazine shows pictures of

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restored trailers, that type of thing.

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So we've been doing the magazine

and print and digital now for

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well over we're in our 12th year.

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Wow.

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And so you've got the magazine and I know

you also produce a lot of rallies as well.

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We do, we do . We, we produce a lot.

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I'm gonna have to take a look at

that moving forward because we've

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got a lot on our calendar right now.

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But we do, essentially for us, a rally

is, I always say it's like a classic

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car show, but you get to sleep at it.

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So you've gotta be nice to people

and, and, 'cause you're gonna be

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waking up with 'em for a few days.

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So we do several days, typically

Thursday through Sunday, we have,

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uh, live bands, we have activities.

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Our events are typically heavily themed.

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So it might be a Western theme

or we've got a British invasion

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theme or a Renaissance fair

theme among others coming up.

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But, uh, yeah, they're, they're a blast,

you know, over the years it's just become

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a lot of good friends getting together.

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Several times a year to camp.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: Yeah, I worked in a

radio station back when I was younger.

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It was, uh, oldies, fifties,

sixties, uh, era kind of station.

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And I remember doing classic car

shows where traditionally restored

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or older fifties, sixties, even some

forties, you know, cars, and it was

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just a lot of fun to, to kind of see

these classics and, and restored.

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And you guys, that's kind

of what these rallies are.

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Vintage Camper Trailers: They are.

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And a lot of our guys actually

tow with the vintage cars.

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So, um, it's, it turns into a, you know,

a big vintage festival and the people even

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dress up, especially if there's a theme.

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So at our, our Western rally,

we have a country band.

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People will dress up in,

in vintage country gear.

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They'll decorate their

trailers in that fashion.

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Um, next year we have a Christmas in the

trailer park, which is a decorate with

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vintage trailer, vintage Christmas stuff.

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We'll have an ugly sweater contest.

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We'll have a potluck, uh, Christmas dinner

and, and, and just a bunch of goofy fun.

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It's really, if, if you're not willing

to come and kind of be silly, it's.

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Not for you, because it's just

a goofy time of everything

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from costumes to decorations.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: So if I wanted

to come to one of these rallies, do I

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have to have a vintage trailer or can

I come in my other RVs or place for me

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to park and camp out with everybody?

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Or do I need to go find my own spot?

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Vintage Camper Trailers: Yeah,

usually, you know, our, our events

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have gotten so big that we still

try to reserve some sites for new

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trailers because we do want to.

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So as long as we've got room, we welcome

people that want to come and play.

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And, and a lot of times those people come

in, in their new white box and they end up

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falling in love with what we're doing and

ended up getting a vintage trailer too.

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But yeah, usually we've got some space.

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We do a big rally in San Dimas.

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That's 280 vintage trailers

and about 150 classic cars.

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And we probably hold back.

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10 percent or so for,

for, for new trailers.

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And, and we're pretty liberal.

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I mean, you know, we let the retros in

and the fiberglass stuff and, and, uh,

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a lot of those aren't as old as some

of them, but they kind of fit the vibe.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: You know, and that

kind of asks, brings up my next question.

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What is considered

nowadays a vintage trailer?

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Vintage Camper Trailers: Yeah.

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The design of trailers really

started to change and, and, and

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the design of everything, the

use of plastics in, in, in stuff.

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And, and so you went from a trailer

that was around you, what we'd call a

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canned ham shape, or before that a bread

loaf shaped trailer to square boxes.

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With, you know, white sides

and plastic interiors.

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And so depending on the event and, and,

and who you ask 72, 75, 70s, somewhere

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around there is when they really started

to change and they just didn't really

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have those warm wood interiors and the

classic pastel colors and, you know,

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the stuff that really looks vintage.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: Maybe this is a

subjective question, but to be vintage.

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You talked about restoring.

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You guys also do a lot of

restoring of classic trailers.

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Can I restore a trailer

to be considered vintage?

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Utilizing the same color schemes or

the same materials, but also add maybe

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some modern conveniences like solar

and lithium or does it need to be pure

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era style to be considered vintage

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Vintage Camper Trailers: were were really

non discriminating as far as that goes.

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Because in today's camping world

and things, you're going to need

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and want some modern conveniences.

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And so I just saw a beautiful

47 Spartan Manor this last

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weekend that was stunning to me.

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But that model didn't

even come with a bathroom.

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And they were able to incorporate

a bathroom in their brand new

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floor plan and everything.

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And so that's a real common upgrade.

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And of course, air

conditioning and things.

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But a lot of the trailers

back in the 40s and 50s, Were

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designed for people to live in.

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So 25 foot Spartan Manor, for instance,

doesn't have a bathroom because it was

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made to go into a trailer park where you

would have had a bathhouse that you could

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use and you might live there for several

months while you worked at the factory

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until you move to go work somewhere else.

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And so Uh, some of these, uh, like I have

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more of a mobile home back in the day.

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People didn't necessarily camp in it.

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So we've added tanks and things to make

it much more campable, but from the

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exterior, it looks like a vintage trailer.

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Now there's...

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Flat screen TVs hidden in, in

closets and things, but to just walk

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Stuart Doing Stuff: You know that,

that's kind of an interesting,

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'cause it is a subjective thing.

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It's kinda like if you're restoring

a classic car, but you wanna put

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in a, a stereo with Bluetooth

and a CD player or whatever, or,

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Vintage Camper Trailers: or

upgrade a motor, you know?

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Yeah.

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Have a motor that will

run on today's freeways.

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You know, I mean, so, Yeah,

it's, uh, there's both.

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There's certainly both.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: You know what, I

would ask, what shocks you the most

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between, like, the progression between

these trailers that you were saying

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I mean, we know they're getting bigger,

but what would you say as far as the

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build quality of the stuff that's

coming off the line now as opposed to

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the stuff that was produced back then?

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Vintage Camper Trailers:

Well, they are getting bigger.

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My 28 foot Spartan is considered a

big trailer in the vintage world.

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And if I'm in a truck stop with,

with a modern trailer, I'm dwarfed.

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I mean, it's, you know, it's minuscule.

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We do have little tiny, you

know, a 14, 16 foot Shasta is

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a real common trailer for us.

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And they don't have a bathroom

and they don't, most of them

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even have a refrigerator.

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They ran with blocks of ice and

things, but it, the new ones.

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You know, I mean, they are what they are.

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They're coming off a production line.

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There's certainly different

levels of quality, but man,

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these, these vintage trailers,

some of them have lasted already.

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For decades and decades.

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And they were built with real wood,

real metal, you know, their, their arch

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nemesis is water, but if they don't

get wet, they'd probably last forever.

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You know, we're still finding barn finds

sitting in, in sheds and things that

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look like they're off the showroom floor.

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We were featuring one of

the next magazine that.

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Still has the tags on the

seats, and it's a, it's a 40,

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I want to say a 49 Travelees.

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It's still got the original tags on the

seats from when it was manufactured.

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I mean the thing's just an

incredible time capsule.

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. Stuart Doing Stuff: You know, so

who are these vintage trailers for?

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It doesn't sound like a modern

day full time digital nomad would

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probably be very comfortable

in one of these smaller things.

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Are these mostly for weekenders or

retirees or just people looking to try and

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get out or who's buying these nowadays?

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Vintage Camper Trailers: You know, I, I, I

think it's, I think it's people that have

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some connection to the culture and, you

know, I, I, I describe us as old souls.

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I mean, I've always had old cars.

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I honestly, I mean, I like camping.

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All right.

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But honestly, to me, it's about the

vintage trailers and the classic cars.

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That's where my real passion lies.

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Not necessarily in the camping, although

we camp, you know, we have a cab

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over and we camp otherwise as well.

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But I think that it's, it's more of

a, more of an activity for most people

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going to the shows, going to the

events, you know, for a few hundred

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bucks, you can go for the whole weekend

and get a pancake breakfast and live

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music and see your friend it's even

though those prices have gone up,

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especially on the West coast, truthfully.

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It's a few hundred dollars

for several days of fun and

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entertainment and camping and food.

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And, um, even though we've seen

those prices rise, you know, really

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it's not, not a huge investment.

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Uh, if you can find a little trailer,

fix it up yourself and then go

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meet a whole group of people that

will welcome you in and you can go

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have fun with a few times a year.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: I'm looking

on your website right now.

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And on your website, there's a section

where there's a classifieds where people

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can buy and sell different trailers.

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And I'm looking at some of these and it,

it really is just a blast from the past.

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Vintage Camper Trailers: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And by and large, that section of our

website is our most traveled by far.

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I mean, people looking to buy selling,

um, we just opened up the ability to

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take your trailer to auction for you

with And so the classifieds are really.

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A big part of what we do in helping

people buy and sell trailers.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: So I would

love to get your help on this.

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Okay.

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Cause I'm a total novice when it comes

to these old school trailers, other

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than I think they're really cool.

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All right.

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So I'm looking at one here.

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Vintage Spartan trailer, everything

is new, clean title, pink slips, ready

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to go, designer features, and it looks

awesome, the shine on this thing is,

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is amazing, and it looks great, I

can't get the photos to load right now,

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but that just might be my internet.

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Um, the um, the thing on this

is uh, 125, 000, the asking

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price, I'm trying to find out.

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How, how are these valued booked at?

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I mean, is it, we know that

a lot, let me rephrase that.

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I think a lot of times on classic

cars, there's, there's a book,

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you know, like a blue book, just

like you have these normal cars.

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But as any, as, as anything else,

something's only worth as much as

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someone's willing to pay for it.

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So if I wanted to do this, if I

wanted to restore one of these

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trailers, what makes, yeah.

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These old ones valuable and, and

what is it that, that, what, what

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is it that holds their value?

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Vintage Camper Trailers: Well,

you hit the nail on the head.

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They're worth what you can get for them.

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And we've seen just a crazy escalation

in prices go up and everybody keeps

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pushing it and pushing it and pushing it.

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You know, it doesn't necessarily.

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just because you put a lot of money

into anything mean that you're going

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to get that money back necessarily

and so you've got to be smart

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about that doing a restoration.

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I just consulted with somebody selling

an Airstream trailer the other day

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and they literally want almost double

of what That type of trailer usually

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goes for trying to justify the money

they put into it in their time.

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And unfortunately, if nobody's

willing to pay it, it doesn't matter.

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You know, and so trailers up over the six

figure mark, you know, obviously there's

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a more limited customer base for that.

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And a lot of those end up.

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Going to the auction to the bigger

collectors and stuff that that will

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bid them up But most vintage trailers

a finished vintage trailer that you can

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camp in that's you know reasonably clean

and stuff are probably going to be more

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in the you know, six to 16, 000 range and

then you know up around the 30 40, 000

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mark you can get something pretty darn

nice and and then beyond that, you know

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You're looking at collector stuff or maybe

it's loaded with Solar and boondocking

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and, and, and other bells and whistles.

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Bathrooms make a big difference

if it's got a bathroom in it.

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It will bring markedly

more than if it does not.

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So yeah, there's some factors Spartans and

aluminum frame trailers will bring more,

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cause they're just more durable, you know,

like your airstreams and your streamlines

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and your silver streaks and, and those,

they're just a more durable going down

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the road, you know, they're not going to

wiggle apart like, like a, a wooden frame

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trailer may have more of a propensity

to, so yeah, all of those things.

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And.

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They're just worth what

people will pay for them.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: I'm looking at one

and and I see a lot that are in your

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price range So the ones i'm pulling

out are more exceptions, so don't get

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scared There are exceptions on there,

yes, there there are exceptions i'm

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looking at one that is marked as sold

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vintage travel trailer fully restored?

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This thing's amazing It's

sold the asking price on this.

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I don't know if that's

the sole price 175 000

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Yeah, this thing looks

like a spaceship, man.

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This is really cool.

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Vintage Camper Trailers: Yes.

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And, and so that bolus

did sell in that range.

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I don't know what the final price was,

but that's a professional builder with.

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Lots of credentials and a bolus is

literally, uh, for most people in

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this hobby, that one of the Holy

Grail trailers, I mean, there's a

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handful of them, um, they're highly

sought after that one in particular.

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Um, I saw it being built

and it was literally.

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Fabricated better than brand new, but

with all original styling and really

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just a massive attention to detail.

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And, and this builder has a

reputation that they demand,

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you know, a higher price.

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And I, I do know that they wouldn't

have sold that trailer if they didn't

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get awful close to that price though.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: I mean, it's

on the, uh, vintage camper trailers

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website on the classified section.

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If you want to look at these photos

and we can probably link it into

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the show notes, but yeah, I'm just

going through these pictures, man.

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This thing is gorgeous.

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It's absolutely.

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Yes, it is.

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Vintage Camper Trailers: And it's

like, it's honestly better in person.

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I mean, it's, it's the pictures are nice.

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That was at our big rally in San Dimas

last year where they took those, but

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yeah, it's, it's a stunning trailer

and all of their trailers are, I mean,

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that's the type of quality they build.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: Yeah.

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I, I, I.

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I have a, a friend, two of 'em, as

a matter of fact, that went out and

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this might not be considered vintage

and it's definitely not a trailer, but

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there's only, I think they researched

probably only a dozen left in the world.

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They picked up these, uh, it's a rev con.

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Okay.

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And I don't know if

you're familiar with them.

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Absolutely.

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. You know, and, and I remember

we were, we were at an event and

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they, the two of them, we were

all talking and they're like, we

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should have a rev con reunion rally.

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And it's like, It's it right here.

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The only two that are, you know, that

are running in the United States are both

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right here, right now, you know, and,

and so it's interesting to see as we move

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maybe into the next decade as those, I

think they were built in the eighties,

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you know, tack on another decade of ages.

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Those are the ones that, that are

considered older, more vintage, still

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on the road, still up and running.

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Vintage Camper Trailers: Yeah, and and

motorhomes we have a little forgiveness

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for and I think revcons even dated back

into the 70s, but we have Um, like at our

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san dimas rally, we have a whole section

of the gmc rvs those big tandem axle gmcs

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um, and they're mid 70s and Yeah, they

they continue to build some pretty cool.

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Uh, rvs even a little later into

the 70s and 80s that still kind

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of have a Classic vibe to him.

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And the next issue of the magazine,

we have a 72 Barth, which is a

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neat brick RV that a guy redid.

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Yeah, we love, I mean, we're

Vintage Camper Trailers is the

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name, but we like the RVs and

the vans and stuff just as much.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: There's a trend

growing on Airbnb for unique, uh,

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kind of things, and I've heard of

people buying these vintage trailers

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and putting them just on their land.

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Maybe they have two or three or five

or whatever acres, and they just

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put these trailers on the land and

they're renting them out overnight

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for hundreds of dollars a night.

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Are you familiar with any of those?

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Vintage Camper Trailers: Uh

have stayed in several of them.

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Um just gave away packages at our event

last weekend for uh, free two night

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stays for a couple of them procure

trailers for some of them and um, Yeah,

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it's a it's a huge deal people love it.

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I love it when we travel we try to

find one and I've stayed in them around

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the country and we've seen uh, wedding

venues With six or eight trailers out

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there that the bridal party can stay in.

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And then they have the

weddings on their grounds.

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There's campgrounds that offer multiple

vintage trailers for overnight stays.

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Yeah.

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People, you know, people like

that connection with the old

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stuff and it is great eye candy.

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I mean, I'm sure a lot of people that

subscribe to our magazine have no

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intention of owning a vintage trailer per

se, but, but, but they're fun to look at.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: You have a lot

of followers on social media, mostly

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because of the images, and it is

really just cool to scroll through

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all of these and look at Things that

I've never seen in real life, but just

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go, wow, those are, are so amazing.

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What are your social handles?

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If people wanted to go

and check those out?

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Vintage Camper Trailers: It's

all vintage camper trailers.

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So vintage camper trailers.

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com at vintage camper trailers

on Instagram and Facebook.

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And then we have groups and

things under the same name.

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So yeah, we're pretty easy to find.

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Everything's accessible

through the main website.

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Of course.

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Stuart Doing StuffS: I'm just

looking at some of these.

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What are your personal favorites?

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Vintage Camper Trailers: I,

I would have to say that, uh,

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number one, I like unique stuff.

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We've really, we just

became empty nesters.

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So, we've kind of reduced our big

collection down to something more

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manageable so we can travel more.

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Our main trailer...

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guy, probably I would say at heart.

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And then we've got the original trailer

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We bought a Shasta from the original

family that we've stayed in contact with.

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For 15 years since we bought it.

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And so some of those pieces

we'll never get rid of.

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We've got a vagabond, a 48 vagabond

that we'll never get rid of.

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And, and then I have a handful of

what I think are just neat little

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unique, really rare tent type trailers.

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So they're easy to store.

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They're small, they're good

for displays and stuff.

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And, and, and they're very unique, but

I didn't say the short answer to the

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question is I'm kind of a Spartan guy.

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I like the Spartan trailers.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: So on these rallies,

you talk about like, I love looking at

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the photos, but like you said earlier,

you got to see these things in person.

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So if I want to come to these rallies,

but I don't want to camp or I I've

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got other things, can I, do you

just, do you do day passes or is

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there a fee or how does that work?

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Vintage Camper Trailers: Our, our

rallies are like most, and I would

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check with every rally because

there could be variations, but

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typically our drill is on Saturday.

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From 10 a.

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m.

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until 2 p.

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m.

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You can walk in and look around like

you were at a car show and most of the

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owners will certainly engage with you and

answer questions and many, many will let

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you into their trailers to look around.

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There's always trailers

for sale to at rallies.

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And if you are looking to possibly

get into the hobby, I would strongly

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recommend that you walk into a few

trailers and get a sense of the space.

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Some have taller roofs, some have

rounded walls, some have straight walls.

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I would try to get a sense for the

space and what you really want.

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Don't just go buy something because it's

the first thing you see on Craigslist

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and, and you gotta have it because it

might not be the best trailer for you.

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If you go walk in and out of a

few and get a sense for the space.

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I think you're better off.

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So yeah, at our rallies and most

rallies, I would say there is some open

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house period where you can just come

in and look around and talk to people.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: You know,

I think that's the same advice

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that we give to people looking

to buy a new trailer nowadays.

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You have to go and see them or rent

one or, or go to one of these little

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lots where you can stay in a vintage

one overnight and make your pros and

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cons list, you know, cause no one.

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Camps and RVs the same way and so you got

to find something that meets your needs

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Vintage Camper Trailers: I would also

add just as an aside if you are gonna buy

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something free isn't necessarily here Bet,

you know spend as much as you can afford

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to spend to get something that's more

decent and campable because Sometimes free

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is free for a reason, and unless you just

get real lucky, you're better off spending

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a little more money to get something

that's usable that you can kind of finish.

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Unless you've got great skills and

you're just gonna do a real awesome

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restoration, they can be a lot of work.

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I would think that it's the same

amount of work possibly as a, uh,

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as restoring an old car, but you

don't have the motor, which is a huge

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expense in restoring classic cars.

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Yeah, and that's why I restore trailers.

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I love hot rods.

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I have some, but they cost

me a fortune because I don't

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like doing mechanical work.

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I muddle through some of it, but

most of it I have to pay for.

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And so I got, that's part of why I

got into doing trailers, but if you're

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at all handy and can screw and glue

stuff together, honestly, you can

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figure out how to fix the trailer.

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They're not that complicated.

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So, um, you take them apart,

you see how they're built.

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Chances are you're going to build it

better than it was ever built originally.

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Just putting it back together because

they really were thrown together quickly.

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It's amazing.

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They last as long as they did.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: And especially the

older ones, they don't have the kind of

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tech that the new RVs and the new trailers

have out there with the touchscreens

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and all the, and all that wiring tech.

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Vintage Camper Trailers: At best you

might have an extension cord that turns

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on a light and powers two plugs, you

know, I mean there is no tech For people

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again wanting to try and take a look

at your awesome photos following on

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Tell people one more time how people

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camper trailers.com or Instagram and

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Facebook at vintage camper trailers.

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Stuart Doing Stuff: Well, I'm gonna

try and make it a point to get out

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to one of your rallies sometimes good

if I'm in the area, because it just

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sounds like a whole bunch of fun.

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Real, and, and, and healthy, safe,

family friendly, fun too, you know?

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Yeah.

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Where you can kind of take a look back

and, and be a little nostalgic on stuff.

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Vintage Camper Trailers: And there's a lot

of characters there that you can talk to.

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So we have some pretty

eclectic folks in our, in our.

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Crowd

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Stuart Doing Stuff: that's awesome all

right paul thank you so much for joining

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going to go and make sure i subscribe to

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